Mrs. Patricia Nelson Limerick & Sharon Ruben

One of the main problems that Mrs. Neslon & Mrs. Ruben tell us about is the management of authority. Both authors say that Professors are focusing more on how they grade rather than actually teaching the class. Mrs. Patricia's example simply states since the reader can't understand the academic writer, the reader learns nothing but the authority that the Academic Writer has. Mrs. Ruben further explains in detail why teachers, such as Academic Writers (or "scolders" in Mrs. Rubens case) snub the readers, which is that they want to obtain order to the class unlike what the "listeners do.

The management authoritive has had many problems in history, and has still been happening to this day. In early history, Pharohs have been "scolder" their own slaves on what to do due for their own sake, rather than whats best for their slaves as a "listener". Even though we have made alot of laws in our country to reduce "Scolders" and to increase "listeners", we still have many "scolders" immorally roaming around for their own satisfaction. A "scolder" can be a group or a specific person determined by their limitations that they give to you. Whether if its a group denying you to socialize with them, to a paticular person denying you permission to be their friend, since you apparently don't meet their "desired expectations" or their "rules" as Sharon Rubin describes it.

In some cases "scolder's" can be good in a scence that they will always teach you a lesson. Whether its from right or wrong like on a test question, discover yourself that you don't need those people or that particular person in your life after all, or meeting important dates and handle your work properly like such issues as contracts. However due to the excessive pain that "scolder's" give to their peers, "listeners" are more honored and accepted, due to their open discussion and ethical help that they give to others no matter what the cost is.

The main goal for Teachers and other highly authoritive people, is to improve and learn new techniques and vocabulary that they never used before. I think that "listeners" should be used first before the "scolders" that way people know that they can have fun and know when to study. management of authority is a major problem to some people and if its not solved properly, it can lead to a major crisis for the whole community as well.

Response to Limerick and Rubin

I feel that boy Limerick and Rubin touched on the fact that the communication between students and professors is not always clear and effective as it should be. Rubin took the point of view of the student by interpreting incomprehensible syllabi from the professors and Limerick took the professor's point of view as to why academic writing can act almost as "protection" for "sensitive" academic writers. I feel Limerick used really great examples in their piece about how professors and academic writers use "large, dull" sentences in order to almost prove themselves capable, thus such complicated sentences and concepts are unable to be deciphered by the student.

From a student's point of view, I definitely agree with Limerick. I feel as if she articulated the problem with communication among students and professors extremely well with her examples. In order for a student to get the most out of their education, they need to understand what is being taught, and how to apply that correctly to their education, in essence, "learning to fly."

Response for Friday: Limerick and Rubin

Both Limerick and Rubin identify several problems inherent to academic discourse. Focus on one problem identified, explain it, provide an example, and finally discuss why in your opinion it is a problem.

--ejfleitz

response wiki

After reading both articles I believe that common rules are needed to prevent ciaos. Norms are what we conform to influence our ideas. The three rules in general are the rules have to be legibly written and easy to follow, orginization, all rules must be kept current. I agree with these rules in that if a rule cannot be legible and easy to follow, there would be no rules at all. Secondly if there is no orginization there would be ciaos. Lastly if rules are out dated people would feel like they were stuck in the past.

wikipedia respose

after reading the Wikipedia article about the different characteristics one of the main rules to a discourse community is that the community as a whole has agreed upon certain goals. in other words there is some kind of unwritten code of conduct that each contributor agrees upon usually dictated by someone else's previous entry. meaning that once you read something and you wish to edit it or add to it, following the previous persons style will be the accepted goal. I like too the very last rule that is found under the Wikipedia article and that is the members have to have suitable degree of relevant content and discoursal expertise, in other words you have to know something in order to contribute to a discussion, and that be something as to expanding upon a particular point previously brought out in order to make that particular point clearer to future readers. These are just two of the rules that found interesting and i know this is the case because there are these unwritten rules that you can see while you are reading particular articles, and although much of Wikipedia information can be misleading, either due to out right lying or simply not having much knowledge upon a subject, that is why the last rule mentioned is needed so as to add relevant content.

Discourse Community Response

Discourse community explains that the community holds a set of unwritten rules that govern its discourse in a larger concept of language. These rules may be slightly modified at any moment, but are to be followed like they were a set of norms in a community. Three rules would be: all rules are to be written in a sensible and legible manner and understandable for all people; all rules are to be kept current; and finally all rules must be kept clear and well organized. The three rules above all are important for a discourse community to function well. All communities have discourse communities within, and without them I believe things may be a little more jumbled than usual.

discourse communities

I was very interested in the Wikipedia definition that stated, "Most people move within and between different discourse communities every day." I bet in any given day I move between 5-6 different discourse communities. I speak and act differently in class when talking to instructors than I would at my home with my roomates. I also speak and communicate differently with my boyfriend than I would with just a male friend. At work, I communicate with clients and my students much different than I would associate with anyone at college. I think it unique that an individual can move so freely between discourse communities without even realizing it.