Monday Post

Klass utilizes her mother and Mr. Eponym to show how much language effects her medical discourse community. Without the use of both people, one would be unable to understand the true role that language plays within the community. When Klass uses her mother to show her confusion about different medical things, the reader truly realizes the extent to which one must understand the language to be a part of the community. I, as a reader, related to Klass' mother. I did not know what all the medical jargon was when Klass was referring to it in her essay. Klass' mother is a good way to bring the reader into the writing because the reader can sympathize with what Klass' mother is going through. If the entire article were Klass and Mr. Eponym talking, it would not have the same meaning that it does now.

Response to Perri Klass

In "Learning the Language" Klass describes her discourse community in the medical world and how she uses jargon and abbreviations. Without the two characters of her mother and Mr. Eponym it would be hard to understand the story. It depends on the reader who they can identify with and for me as the reader i could identify with her mother. When her mother said "You'll have to tell me what an NG tube is if you want me to sympathize properly." I think using the two charcters really gives an understanding of how a discourse community can effect a person and how it is so easy for those who understand it. If you are farmilar with the topic it will be quick and easy when speaking and writing out the terms. but for an everyday person whos profession isnt in the medical field it will be a little bit more complicated. If you are learing to be in the medical field this would be helpful to you but the reader can understand where the mother "outsider" is coming from.

response to Klass

In the article Learning the Language, author Klass describes the language and jargon of the medical discourse community. Klass explains the inner struggles of adapting to this language. The author felt as if some of the expressions used were ethically incorrect in a way, and had inner struggle using some of the jargon (ex: nitrate "players," CTD "circling the drain."

Another struggle comes into play when the author tries to speak with their mother about work procedures and experiences. I feel that the author included this story about their mother to almost sympathize with the fact that the audience didn't know what these expressions meant either, so the mother was someone in which the audience can relate.

The other character mentioned was "Mr. Eponym." This was a character who was so into using medical phrases and jargon that his colleagues nicknamed him as such. I feel that this character was used in the passage to further show the inner conflict. The author was proud of the fact that they were picking up on the language, but still did not feel completely comfortable referring to patients as "players" and other such names. By including both people in and out of the discourse community, it further help to explain the struggle of adapting into the medical community, for ethical and comprehensive reasons.

Spetember 31,2007

Without having both perspectives to this story most people who are not doctors, nurses, or who don't know a lot about the medical field or terms might have been confused. I was confused when medical terms were used and didn't know until I heard both sides to the story. Each discourse community has certain aspects and details that other people who aren't in it might not know. This is why its always important (when telling a story) that there is an outside perspective and not just the perspective of someone within that discourse community.

Klass's main use of the of her mother and Mr. Eponym (externally and internally communication respectfully) is to show how certain discourse community affects the public. Klass explained her experiences on how the internal and external communication needs some help being adjusted tp. Klass's home was very different from Mr. Eponym school since Klass's mom needed some help understanding the medical terminology. It is clear that from this story that we go to School to learn from the professors, and if we don't learn anything from the professors from our courses that we take, not only have we failed, but the professors have failed as well. Mr. Eponym is a good example of a successful professor, because he taught Klass how to successfuly apply the terminology to her career. The mother's science professor on the other hand wasn't so successful on teaching, becuase of her slow reactions to Klass's medical terminology abbreviation.

The certain discourse community that we used to this past week during our presentations is no different from this story. Our groups did a marvelous presentation on how written codes of communication such as "IM", "Legal Communication", and to implied codes (or Brands) of communications such as"Camp Fest", "MySpace™", "FaceBook™", and "Fashion TV". These two codes tell us what to do and how to act when we are in a certain discourse community. The written codes of communication tell us what's appropriate to write for that particular discourse community its important to let the reader know what is important before abbreviating it. For example, while LOL might mean Laugh Out Loud in "IM" terms as Erin's Group discussed, according to Klass's and Mr. Eponym perspective LOL means Little Old Lady. The implied codes of communication expects us to dress in specific way like Ms. Dzienny's and Mr. Walker's "Fashion TV" presentation to explaining how the different organizations like Heather's group presentation "Camp Fest" may help people further prepare for their future careers. The "MySpace™"and "FaceBook™" sometimes require some expectaions from certain people just like job interviews do. By performing and experiencing the presentations this past week I have experienced the true effects (internally and externally) of discourse community.

It is very vital on how these discourse communities work, because if you don't you might experience a "takeover" from that particular certain discourse community.
We study many areas in the general requirements throughout college not only to adjust to the professional world but to the multicultural world as well. With this we can have a clearer understanding on how the world works. In my opinion, its vital to have a good education before you go anywhere in you professional career because you will never know when you will need it.

Response to Klass

By using two characters in her story it helped to show the differences between people who know medical jargon and those who don't. I found that I could relate more the the mom because when her daughter complained about NG tubes, I along with the mom had no idea what she was referring to. When telling a story I think it is very important to tell the perspectives from both sides (inside and outside) of the discourse community. If Klass only gave the example of Mr. Eponym whom belonged inside the discourse community, then we wouldn't see how that discourse community really is its own because of its specific language. If everyone understood medical jargon then it wouldn't be its own unique discourse community anymore. It's important to show that not everyone understands or knows the jargon of each discourse community like Klass did with her mom.

Response for Monday: Klass article

In Klass's article, she uses two supporting characters to help her tell her story: her mother (an outsider) and "Mr. Eponym" (a newbie insider). What might be the use of these two characters? How do they aid in Klass telling her experience? How might they relate to the reader of the essay? In other words, what is the use of presenting characters both from outside and inside the discourse community (why not just talk about characters from the inside only)?

--ejfleitz

amplification and compression

Amplification is basically taking an idea and expanding on it, which seems to me to make something make more clearer. Compression is taking an idea or something and making it more to the point/concise. Amplification seems to be more drawn out while compression is more brief. I think that our project shows more compression than amplification. We have taken campus fest and compressed it down to the main points to analyze it as a discourse community instead of doing this long research process on it.

Amplification would be preferred in a situation where someone was starting a new job. During orientation, it is important to make sure that everything is covered in detail so that the person is aware of all the proper procedures. Compression is often preferred when writing someone an e-mail. People do not want to open their mail and have a story to read. It is important to get to the point quickly so that the person reading does not get bored.

Our discourse community prefers compression. When talking to someone online, the language is fast-paced and people do not write a lot. They get to their point quickly and move on.

Amplification and Compression

Amplified language is preferred in the teaching environment. In these situations it is important to take the time in explaining complex issues in a comprehensible format. Compressed language is most useful in advertisements. In an world where each second or word costs money it is important to get to the point about the product. People aren’t going to wait around to hear about it. Our group’s discourse community of instant messaging prefers compressed language for its speed. Although amplified language is accepted, most conversation via IM requires short answers in order to keep up with the conversation. I know this because they even shorten the language in order to increase the speed of writing.

Amplification and Compression

A situation in which I feel that amplification would be useful could be addressing an audience that does not know much about the subject or is not familiar with the topic being discussed. The use of amplifeication would probably work best. A context in which compressive writing may work better may be the MySpace presentation that our group is giving. I feel that this may be better said if it is put into the category of ccompressed writing because it is more clear and respectful to the audience that may already know enough about the subject.

Amplified vs. compressed

Our group is doing Fashion Reality TV, which I think would be compressed language because the topic is so broad and fashion can be very artsy and based on creativity, not concrete facts and rules.

Fashion can be amplified when it comes to rules of sewing and how to make a garment and how to do a cross-stitch, because there are certain rules and steps on how to do it properly- but the creativity aspect of fashion as a whole is loosely collaborated on bouncing ideas back and forth and a mix of art.

Chapter 14

A amplified language consits of specific detailed statements. A good amplified language is a bilateral contract that both parties can agree upon. The more information that's on the contract the more clearer the offeree can perform and finish the task as what the offeror wanted. However in some situations like overmanagement in a company may make employees of that company crazy due to the fact that they are always bossed around by the many detailed rules and the many people who are in charge at that time.

A compressed language consits of general statements that may be stereotypic if its overlooked. Compressed language may often to be used by professors during exams, "pop quizes", and assignments suddenly due. because they usually want to test you on how you handle problems by yourself. One bad thing about compressed language is that it may fails to bring injustice to the discourse community, due to the impatients of the person who is incharge of that particular discourse community at that time. This may make that discourse community a dangerous place to live in at that time.

I think that it is both amplification and compression for our discourse community discussion on project #2.. In some points in our discussion we go into detailed discussions about how leadership works in the society which makes it amplification. Other points in our slides we briefly discuss how such organizations have their own special discourse community such as "Order of Omega" and "Gamma Sigma Alpha". This is compression, because we don't go in detail on how we can become a member of those societies because we are using them as a reference to support our presentation.

Response for Monday: Laib on amplification and compression

After reading Laib's chapter 14, Development: Amplification and Compression, explain a hypothetical situation in which amplified language would be preferred. Also provide a situation where compressed language would be most useful. Finally, look at your group's discourse community for project #2. Does it prefer amplification or compression? Why? How do you know?

--Elizabeth

Interpretation-What interpretation is in my opionion is evaluating the situation that your are in and giving a response to whatever it was that you were apart of to put you into conclusion. Looking at things from your perspective, or evaluation someone elses.

Representation-Representation can be what that person is standing for. The person sees an image, acts on that and ultimately wanting to be formal and show a strong standing. How the information is put out and given to the consumer is very critical.

Sept. 21 Blog

When I think of interpretation I think of an explanation by a critic. This can be in many different aspects of life. As you go through your everyday life you make many interpretations, and also you make different interpretations than other people. Representation deals with presentation, or how the information is getting across to all of the recievers. An example of this may be a sales rep.

INTERPRETATION&REPRESENTATION

Interpretation: Ideology or belief of what was written, read, or spoke.
Representation: Attempt to be realistic without imposing a bias.
Interpretation is more of what you believe was said, but on the other hand representation is more of a realistic view point.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is an example of interpretation.
The Discovery Channel: In the Womb is an example of representation.

Interpretation -- Representation

Interpretation is finding meaning from and individual perception and opinion. This is not always based in fact because it is subjective. Representation is trying to report something close to factual and trying to be objective. An example of interpretation would be Kill Bill. News programs use representation for their stories.

interpretation/representation response for friday

i view interpretation as your own personal viewpoint. all of us do not see the world or events in the same way for example in my Greek Lit. class the popular viewpoint from one of our readings found that the author was weighing one persons long speech greater then that of the other person, and yet i felt that they were both equal in strength, clearly against the majority of the class and yet i was about to draw examples as to why i believed the speeches were held equally. i am sure all of us interpret the war in Iraq in different ways as well, me being more conservative minded, my view will be different from a liberal minded individual.

representation to me is how the information is presented, it is how can i present this information in such a way that is clear and obvious. representation gives us a framework of a particular subject. the example i will use here is current movies that are based in the 1940's, 50's, etc.. in which the way racism is toned down in a lot of movies. we all know that during those times race was a huge issue with many forms of discrimination, yet the movie represents it in such a way that its less offensive while at the same time saying hey racism did exist. i hope i represented that point well. if not feel free to add to my response with comments and your thoughts.

Friday 09/21 Post

Representation is ultimately an image that a person sees within their mind. Even if it is a red apple, the image in everyone's mind might not be the exact same. Interpretation is a thought or idea that someone tries to work through.

I think an example of representation could be any film or TV show since it involves images while I think one that fits for interpretation might be a news program such as 20/20 or Dateline since the information given to you is meant to be thought about and thoroughly processed instead of a representation which can have many different forms.

Friday Response

Interpretation in my definition is a view or telling of something from a different perspective or viewpoint. To me representation is a different kind of interpretion that may rely more on symbolism or subject matter that is shown more than "decoded" like an interpretation. An example of an interpretation could be the film "The Departed" that is interpreted from a Chinese film "Infernal Affairs". On the other hand a representation example could be TV coverage of a special event or circumstance.

Firday Post

Interpretation is when a person includes his or her views on a subject or scenario. It includes opinions and ideas. Representation is what actually happens. It does not include subjective information and is based on facts.

September 21st post

Interpretation to me is the way we take the world in. How we perceive and understand something is the way we interpret it. Representation is how we are making people see us or what we have to offer. An example from a television show is married with children. An example of representation would be Universal Marketing group who represent and sell golf equipment.

Friday post

Interpretation is how one views an event, object, character, and people's actions or how they percieve the meaning of something. Representation is how an event, obeject, ect. really is or what it means in words or focuses on the particulars/details. Gossip magazines on celebrities is an example of interpretation and the nightly news is an example of representation.

Interpretation v. Representation

Interpretation is the view that you have on a particular issue. This usually is about the "Right answer!!" to a particular subject.
For example, A program in CS 101 won't work unless certain accurate statements are stated properly (Dim Years As Interger, Dim Income As Double, Dim Performance As String, and Dim InvestChoice As Boolean) .

Representation is the view that the audience gets from the presenter or the presenter's presentation. This is usually about how the audience feels about a particular situation.
For example, due to crazy outcomes in some cases they might be Appealed or Remanded by certain amount members in Congress depending on how they view the outcome of the case.
Example, the courts found that the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act had too much federal authority on the state law enforcers, and was reversed by the opinions of the 5 of the 9 Justices at that time.

Reading for Friday: Laib

After reading Laib's chapter on interpretation and representation, explain in your own words the difference between the two terms. What is interpretation? What is representation? Finally, provide an example from a film or television show for each term. Here's an example:

It's a Wonderful Life is an example of interpretation.
Katie Couric's news reports on life in Iraq is an example of representation.

--ejfleitz

Craigslist is a community in that in brings people together and fosters interaction between people who might not otherwise get that opportunity. A community does, however, need face to face interaction to help members connect with one another. Non-verbal communication is a large part of interaction in relationships and Craigslist does not give members this function. Using the internet as another tool to build existing relationships can be very helpful, but too much reliance on internet communication is not good. Also, unlike meeting someone face to face, meeting someone on Craigslist might not have the desired outcome (it might not be the person you thought they were). The site is very useful, though, and much like a newspaper in that people can sell goods, keep up on news, and disscuss issues with peers. It is a community, but one held in a virtual world that can translate into the real world.

Craigslist Response

I think the author wanted to showcase how that even though Craiglist is an online website, it is somewhat of a physical community because the things listed, be it housing or jobs, actually brings people together in some way or another.

I agree with and feel other sites like this (ie: Monster.com or Facebook) have the same idea: having people meet online and then bringing them together. It's almost like you could say that their idea of explaining Craigslist can be said about so many other internet sites because in this day there is so much online communication.

Craigslist Response

The writer looks at alternative ways to describe a community. Looking at Craiglist you can conclude that it is a sort of community due to the fact that you can use the internet as a huge communication tool. Analysing the site you will notice all of the different effective ways of going about communicating, that definitely makes this site a community.

Response

I agree with the reading that there are different communities and different ways to interact, technology is not the only thing that shapes us. In order to build healthy realtionships we need to have physical and verbal interactions. craiglist is a type of community where people can come together for a number of different purposes, i have to agree but in some cases a craiglist is a community that takes away the need for face to face contact and business realize that this is a community thus the many offers the owner has had just sell it. Having other site on the site will defeat the whole purpose if trying to go with the original plan. I think overall you still need to have real life interactions

craiglist response

well the argument here is that yes craiglist is a type of community where people can come together for a number of different purposes, though recently craiglist has come under fire because i can recall some incidents in the news where women and i believe a young girl were selling inappropriate services on craiglist. i have to agree however, that craiglist is a community that for the most part eliminates the need for face to face contact and business realize that this is a community thus the many offers the owner has had just sell it. the owner maintains that by selling, the identity of craiglist would be eliminated because now you will have random ads on the site which would destroy the community.

Putnam/Feldstein

I believe that the main objective in the writing by Putnam & Feldstein is that there are many different ways to describe a community. They argue that almost the exact interaction, communication, and information you can get out of a newspaper or physical community, you can get from craigslist.org. The website is very "real world" based as ErinF wrote. I agree with another point ErinF stated: A person can only learn so much talking and typing on a computer. This stood out for me because it is very true. There is no face to face interaction therefore there is no real connection between two users of Craigslist.org. I agree with Putnam & Feldstein that the website is a community with even smaller communities within. You are able to find jobs, buy/sell houses, start a relationship, and much more. Craigslist.org is an example of discourse community.

Craigalist and realtions....

I think that Putnam and Feldstein are saying that a craigslist is a physical, on earth community. A craigslist is a place where you can do many things. You can sell things, make clubs or organizations, and meet the love of your life. This community has many communities inside of one. It has something for everyone.

Response to Craigslist

The thesis that Putnam and Feldstein have developed in their piece is one of acknowledging the fact that the idea behind Internet community did not exactly surface the way in which it was intended. Putnam and Feldstein argued that the users of internet do not necessarily contact and start relationships with people that they do not know, but instead reinforce relationships that have already been established. The authors take into account (with statistics) that most people prefer to communicate with others via instant messenger.

In attempts to create an online community "craiglist.org" was developed. With the goal to network various people from various locations together through the use of an open forum type website, craiglist has successfully attracted millions of users. Although the mass amount of users may appear to make this website look useful in networking various people, it can also be argued that it is accomplishing the same goals as communicating over e-mail or instant messenger. The people who use this website generally stay within their own location when searching for people to meet or places to go and things to do, therefore they are not expanding their searches to people in other parts of the county. By developing relationships with only certain people in comfortable, familiar settings, craiglist is just as useful as e-mail or instant messenger, but does not create a vast online community.

Craigslist Reponse

The Craigslist article by Putnam and Feldstein would best be described as an argument that attempts to explain that the same type of communication that goes on within communities can in fact be engaged in the website called Craigslist. This San Francisco based website stands as an example of what this electronic community has to offer and is complete with categories and "discourse communities". However, I believe that some of this communication can only be achieved to an extent. I don't believe that an internet based "community" can provide the genuine feel of a face-to-face community. Like many electronic mediums, it can only do and connect so much. On the other hand, it is an impressive example of a well-achieved and well-organized discourse community and provider.

Craigslist and Public Relations

(1) The thesis that Mr. Robert D. Putnam and Lewis F. Feldstein, is trying to make is that even though Craiglist offers alot of people to make "elevator pitches" and other business deals, sometimes it Craiglist can get a little crazy. Certain situations such as unimportant, unprofessional, personal problems and stunts, as well as making lazy abbrieviations "CL", like what some people might do in Facebook and Myspace at times may reduce the professional view of the Craiglist. They also state that it is hard locally to find a great deal that Craiglist has to offer because even though they offer alot of states there are only certain people in certain areas that might participate in making valid "offerors" to the "offerees" to the public. Another problem is that sometimes the offer might no longer be valid due to the closed deal that the "offeree" made with the "offeror" since many people are Online in this website trying to make a great deal.

(2)I think due to the "Rapid-Growth Stage" that Craig Newmarks' Craigslist has experienced in the history of his website (a few years after 1995) that from its many applicants and employeers that Craigslist it has been a very successful website (even though Craig Newmarks and his staff refused to except a sell out exit strategy from another venture capitalists). Craiglist is a very efficient discourse community business site that can help the temporary unemployeed discouraged workers.

Craigslist

The author's point is that there are different ways to describe a community. An online source, such as "craigslist" would be a community because you can do all the things online that you might in a regular community, even though it is not traditional. For example, the site had areas to find and meet people, search for jobs, search for restaurants or other locations within that community.

Craiglist

I think the author is trying to show how similar this website is to the "real world." People can do all the things they would in a city, on this website. It removes the need for people to get out in the world and carry on face to face conversations with people. I think that websites such as these have some place in the world, but I they should not take the place of one's interaction with people on a daily basis. a person can only learn so much talking and typing to a computer.

Craigslist

Putnam and Feldstein see Craigslist as its own community with people able to find jobs, homes, relationships, and all kinds of other stuff on one site. Having local craiglist sites to all different places gives the user a more intimate feeling that you don't get from other blogger sites. I agree that this is a community in itself when they don't even want to meet physically at a Craiglist gathering, but rather just staying socially internet based.

craiglist

I think that what Putnam and Feldstein are trying to argue is that craigslist is a physical community even though its like an online resource cite. At first when reading this article, when they were describing craigslist I felt like it reminded me of a newspaper advertisement section but it's really much more than that. Its a place where people can find a job, meet significant others, sell items, create clubs, and many other things. I would have to agree with Putnam and Feldstein that craigslist is a community even though it has alot of small communities inside this big community which I think makes it unique.

Response for Wednesday: Craigslist

Evaluate Putnam and Feldstein's argument concerning Craigslist. (1) Identify their thesis (what argument are they making?), (2) Discuss whether or not you agree, explaining why. You'll be able to better evaluate their argument by visiting the site, http://www.craigslist.org.

--efleitz

Herrings Article

I disagree with Herrings article on discussion style. I believe that the World Wide Web is way to broad to make assessments like the writer of this article made. I think the way that women communicate is way to unique and broad, all women are not the same so you can not go along with these arguments, especially not this day in age. This article definitely seems a little outdated to me.

In Herrings reading she says that the female writing style is more preferable than the male style. I agree with her becuase the female writing style is simple and to the point. The male style of writing is agrumentative and forceful of their specific views.

Herring's Hypothesis: A Little Outdated?

Whereas I do agree with Herring on her observations of some of the differences in the ways that males and females communicate online, I do believe her ideas are just a little outdated. I remember growing up in a world where girls are supposed to wear dresses and play tea party politely, and boys were rowdy lil snots that were supposed to come home with skinned knees & black eyes. However, I feel that this emphasis on external gender scripts is not quite as predominant as it was in the past. Yes, there is still some evidence of aggressiveness from males and supportiveness from females, but most of that is due to the biological hardwiring.

Herring makes some good points, but they are just a little too overgeneralized for my taste. They might have been very compelling arguments 13 yrs. ago, but not for today's society.
Therefore, I would have to agree with my colleagues' opinions.

-Carly

Herring Article

Herring does bring up interesting differences between male and female communication, but I have to disagree with this article. When reading posts online I can’t always tell male from female and even so both can use their fair share of “flaming” and forceful language. And I don’t see that women’s online communication styles are any less valued along those of men in this growing medium where everyone can have there own voice.

herring response

i have to agree with other students who disagree with herrings assessment of discussion style. to me there is no way you can tell if a male wrote it or if i a female wrote an article simply because at the end of the article they use a male or female name. Also, depending upon the forum, a certain style of writing is probably more acceptable then other instances say instant messenger. so i have to say that again i disagree with herrings argument

Response to Herring

I don’t agree with Herring’s argument. The internet is a vast place with many different forums for discourse that, if searched for, can cater to aggressive women as well as passive men. I think the internet’s range and potential is far to broad to apply such gender communication stereotypes; they may exist, but I don’t feel that these patterns of discourse can be documented in a large enough number of examples to claim genders discuss differently online universally. The context of communication and the members participating have a lot to do with the type of discourse. Women in general may have a different way of communicating but that is not to say that women do not participate in “flaming” or that men do not acknowledge and thank others. I think that the few communities Herring examined may have demonstrated patterns of gendered discourse but she cannot claim that these observations are universal patterns of online communication.

Response to Herring article

I would have to agree with the conclusion of the Herring article that states that the CMC is male-directed rhetoric. Herring states in the conclusion of her article that men and women have different discourse positions in cyberspace that affect how language is used among them. Herring's argument is well-placed and urges women to contribute more to communicating in the cyberspace world. I feel she makes a strong and truthful argument about how women should contribute more to web-based communication and conversations. She also mentions that there should be more strategies geared at promoting womens' interests into the cyber network. I also agree that the cyber network is male rhetoric based and should have some action taken to promotet womens interests to these sites.

Herring does make a good observation about both male and female communication but in the end i would have to disagree. I have to agree with what a lot of people have said and that men and women have a different language depending on the situation. If they were having an online chat with their friends that were men and women it would be different than a chat online with men and women about academics. She says that male style is characterized by adversarialty which are put-downs, strong, and contentious assertions. While female characterstics are supportivness and attentuation. These to me are sterotypical and Herring should have looked deeper into more online discourse communities.

Herring Post

Overall I would have to disagree with Hering's article. I don't think that someone can tell the gender of a post from the way in which it was written. There are different situations when different tones comes across. If a woman is very passionate about a topic, she may write with the "force of a man." It is important to remember why posts were written in the first place. I know many men and women who do not conform t the ideas presented in Herring's article.

Herring

In the reading it says that, the female style has the desire to be addressed and be ratified and liked, it doesn't want to impose upon, whereas the male style is in contrast and confronts or threatens for alternative views. I think that this is true to an extent. Not every guy is that way. I know many women who are always arguing with their boyfriends for example, and their boyfriends are the ones who are less dominate. It also depends on the topic or situation upon which these people are talking about. In general, males are naturally just more aggressive then females. I don't think this is always a bad thing. I thought she made some good points in her article but overall I don't agree. You need to look at the situation and the person before you can judge a whole group.

Response to Herring

In Herring's article "Bringing Familiar Baggage to the New Frontier," observations were made to evaluate how the communication styles of men and women differ concerning computer-mediation communication (CMC). Herring discovered that men found "the barbs and arrows" entertaining online, as long as the conflict and aversion was not aimed towards them. Women were more evasive towards internet conversation that contained conflict and intimidation. In conclusion, Herring decided that men "control" conversation online and that women need to make more of a contribution to these ways of communicating.

I feel that Herring's research of communication online is valid, but at the same time it is not entirely accurate. Considering that a lot of communication in the present day is virtual it is relevant to study the way that men and women communicate in such a setting. Although I feel she might have a strong case that men are more verbal then women, I feel that there needs to be several other factors taken into account such as: What is the topic being discussed? How old are these people using the interenet? Other then a forum, how do men and women communicate on a device such as Instant Messenger? I feel that a forum only represents a portion of the ways men and women communicate online. What about emails? Can the same arguments be made for these forms of communication?

Herring's CMC

I think that it's hard to say that men and women have a specific style of communicating. What this article fails to do is to state what the men and women are writing to. For example, if you are writing to a Honor organization you must use "netiquette" even if you are a man or a women to be accepted in that particular discourse community. If you are writing to find that special someone or just have fun then it is more likely (but still not absolutely so) that the men and women will respond the way that Harring states in her journal article. I believe that messages have their own rule on how they should be replied. Such sites as Facebook, AIM, Myspace, and True.com, have people talking more than showing when they are communicating, where as if you are writing a resume, or a letter to a professional being you are showing more than you are talking while you are communicating. I believe its hard to cite any particular area in this article because its too discrimitive based on the sex of the people. Communication is based on what the situation is not what the person is.

Response for Friday: Herring article and CMC

Herring implies in the "Conclusion" section of her article that the female style of computer-mediated communication (CMC) is preferable to the male style. Do you agree with her opinion? Why or why not? Identify what characteristics of the "male style" or "female style" you prefer and why. Cite Herring's essay to further support your point, or use her essay to attack her opinion.

--ejfleitz

Baby Card

http://cards.123greetings.com/cgi-bin/newcards/showthumbs.pl?q1=fkt_boy&log=123&src=

With this link, there are online congrats cards for having a baby boy. I don't think it really fits in her example simply because some of these cards have traditionally "girly" colors yet the cards are for boys.

In general, however, I do think baby cards are a good way to show how children are treated. Some boy cards might have sports on it while some girl cards might have something more meant for a girl. The baby card, while sometimes debatable in the situation, is a good way to show identity roles for children.

Baby Cards

I definitely can agree to some extent with the author about baby cards. As I read this particular article I could think of many baby cards that I have seen in my past. Also as I went to wal mart last night I glanced at the card section and witness many boy specific cards and girl specific cards. I think it is an interesting argument. But I must say that I think the author could have used a little more proof to back up the argument.

gender specific cards

http://www.123greetings.com/family/girl/girl8.html
http://www.123greetings.com/family/boy/boy9.html

from the 2 cards that i researched you can see the gender messages that are given, for the girl she is seen as being an angel and for the boy the impression is that he is boss. this arguement fits in with the assigned reading for today because is shows the difference between how boys and girls are viewed, why cant the boy be an angel and the girl a boss? although many bosses are males there are a number of female ceo's etc..., and is calling a boy an angel considered girly perhaps thats the thinking behind gender specific cards.

Baby Girl Greeting Card

The card I picked (http://reminders.barnesandnoble.com/ecard/detail.asp?CGID=22&CARDID=18178&PAGE=0) was an e-card for a baby girl. The message only says; "It's a baby girl!" The picture on the cards says more. Its a picture of a baby girl chick that just hatched out of her egg and when she emerges she is holding a pick mirror and looking at herself through it. The makers of that card assume that since its a girl she will probably be prissy and looking at herself in the mirror to see if she looks ok. The mirror is also pink which I think ties into the reading about how gender is stereotyped. This seems to be an issue for some people, but honestly for me I don't see the color of a card being that big of a deal. Yes I think that people have sterotyped gender but who cares? I think people need to relax and not look so much into things. My favorite color is blue, and I don't see anyone making a big deal about it.

Baby Girl Card

At first I felt my card did not really support Willer’s claims; however on closer examination I realized that it in fact did have some gender reinforcement. On the front of the card it says “Congratulations on your little ‘sleepy-time gal’” and on the inside are two very tired parents holding there smiling baby. There is not really a gendered color theme of pinks, but there is no blue, more of a purple color. The language supports gendered themes in the use of the word “little” referring to a girl. Also, Willer claims that, “Although not significant, there were birth congratulation cards for girls that identified a girl as a shopper, as a phone talker … as needing security.” I think that the message that the new baby girl is tiring her parents up reinforces the stereotype that females are high maintenance.

Baby Cards

http://www.bluemountain.com/category.pd?path=82903

When i read about this assignment about 2o different cards popped into my head. I have worked at a hallmark store back home for 3 years. I have read, put away, and sold hundreds of baby cards. When i read the article there were defientaly some similarities that popped into my mind. I can think of some pink cards that have pink bows and glitter all over them for girls and have cute pictures of teddy bears, and pink toys. I think that most of the greeting cards fit Willers argument about baby greeting cards because most of them are gender specific. a lot of boy cards say "congrats on your bouncing baby boy" and with a girl its usually something about being precious and a little angel.

Willer's Essay Response

In response to the Willer essay assigned for today I found a baby shower example from www.americangreetingcards.com. The example I found was a typical gender-designed greeting card from this website. I feel the example that I found was related to Willer's interpretation of certain baby shower greeting cards that are found on the market. There are some cards on the site that break gender rules such as color associations like girl/pink and boy/blue. Overall I found the contrasts between the article and the the examples I found to be effective and good examples of society's views on what is culturally defined in the language of a card or image.

response for wednesday

http://www.bluemountain.com/display.pd?prodnum=3054968&path=82916&bfrom=2

I found a card that incorporates both boy and girl characteristics. Even though is card is directed towards a boy, this card incorporates a pink background. The other characteristics included in this card is the phrase "bundles of boy" which is a play on words, but appeases the argument by Willer, that certain phrases on birth announcement cards are gender specific. While browsing the site I noticed that a lot of the cards designed for girls were more serious, and had more frills then the ones designed for boys. I feel that the boy cards were designed to look more simple, and to the point, whereas girl cards were more creative and detail oriented.

I feel that because of the fact that my card was so simple it was almost hard to apply Willer's criteria to decide whether or not it was gender specific. Then, I realized that the girl, in contrast, had a lot more artwork and words used causing my original boy card to appear more masculine. Even the "nonverbal" communication was apparent that my card was specifically for a boy (despite the pink background).

Baby eCard

This Website is kind of different than what Lynda R. Willer statistical analysis about the baby Hallmark. This Hallmark websites offers such cards as "Baby Chase" has a baby in a green gown instead of the usual Pink and Blue colors and with little hair which leaves the audience to questioning the fact if its a boy or a girl. Another thing to consider is that most cards on this "Hallmark" website are for non-gender babies because they lack the pink and blue identification of what Lynda R. Willer says in "Welcome to Your World, Baby", other eCards on this site do not even have babies in their cards. Even though in the live stores of the Hallmark there are only a few non-gender cards, there are more free non-gender base cards on rationally than identity on gender on this "Hallmark" website than what Lynda R. Willer states in her Journal Analysis.

http://www.hallmark.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category51000110051-102012147551;-102001;11442;-102010;-102012ecardsBaby%20-%20Congratulations

Baby ecard

The card that I found was for a little boy on: http://www.americangreetings.com/ecards/display.pd?prodnum=3043321&path=64318

This particular card does go along with Willer's argument on baby cards. The card for a little boy contains a background of a sky and clouds with stars. Willer found that most boy cards were more than likely to have pictures of sky items like clounds, moons and stars. My card also displayed a teddy bear hanging on a moon with a blanket. The color pallet for this card was blues and yellows which Willer also found to be true for boy cards. I do believe that Willer's argument is true and effective.

Baby cards

http://www.americangreetings.com/ecards/display.pd?prodnum=3124858&path=64318

He's Perfect.
From the first precious hug
to the bond that continues to grow,
There's a beautiful connection-
that only a parent can know.

Feeding into the concept of gender roles even this card colored in blue with a baby actively holding on to a parents hand goes along with Willer's article. This card also follows along with boy cards often having a rhyme with "grow" and "know." I also see the child grasping the parent’s finger as a sign of strength and calling him "perfect" making him infallible with him always being right. If this was a girl card I could seeing them making the baby sleeping still, but since they intend this to further the male gender role this baby is awake and firmly holding the parent’s finger. From even before we are born are gender roles are ingrained into with something even as simple as a congratulations card for our birth. This early normalization is socially expected and reinforced all the time.

Baby Girl

I found a greeting card at my house with a pink bow and a rhinestone clip attached to the front. You can remove the bow from the card after you read it and it becomes a hair bow for the newborn. The writing says "So soft, so sweet, It's a Girl!"

I think this fits the reading for todays post perfectly. Gender sterotypes are learned behavior from the first day a child is born. There are gifts where a father either gets a pink bubble gum cigar, or a blue one, which pretty much determines that the newborn is either male or female, and should fit one of the gender roles. Willer talks about language and how it is used to reinforce these sterotypes. In this particular card, it uses soft and sweet, which wouldn't be used to describe a boy. Most boys are not taught to grow up being "soft" or "sweet."

Baby Greeting Card

http://www.americangreetings.com/ecards/display.pd?prodnum=3078744&path=64318

The above link is a baby greeting card that I found at americangreetings.com. The card is intended for a little girl. It is animated and shows a stork carrying a pink bundle through the clouds, accented in pink. The outline of the entire card is pink as well. After a few seconds of the stork flying through the clouds, words appear. The words are in pink and say,"It's a Girl! Congratulations on your sweet little bundle of joy."

I believe that this card fits Willer's argument about baby greeting cards. First, As Willer claims, cards are colored to reinforce gender stereotypes. The card that I found had very few colors on it, but the few colors that did appear were shades of pink. Second, the wording used on the card was very similar to the phrases that Willer claimed would appear on cards intended for girls. The card that I found used the words "sweet" and "little." These two phrases are often used to describe baby girls. According to Willer, "words such as loving, cute, and sweet are often used to describe female babies." She feels that these terms are used to reinforce the gendered characteristics of how boys and girls should behave.

Overall, I feel that the card that I analyzed fits Willer's argument about baby cards to the tee.

Response for Wednesday: Baby Cards

After reading Willer's study, go out and find (or look through old scrapbooks, or look online) for examples of baby shower/baby announcement cards. Choose one card you found, describe it (or post a link if it's online), and explain if it fits Willer's argument about baby greeting cards. If so, how? if not, how is this card different?

--efleitz

Updates

Hello, class:

Thanks for your interesting and insightful commentary so far this semester. There's no post due for Monday, but do remember to bring a hard copy of your final draft to class on Monday.

Have a good weekend!

--Elizabeth

Dan Macon - Limerick

I really did enjoy reading this article. I do agree with Limerick to some extent. I do find myself awt times taking courses in which the proffessors make thiings entirely too difficult to understand. I believe that is not there intensions, but they do not realise how dull the reading is for students. I think it has to do with the way they present the readings. They need to use the students language to grab there attention and then push maybe a little towards there own language. I believe the profs should aim to build upon students creativity and individuality not just load them with dull readings with complex language.

Rubin Response

One problem with academic discourse is that it is assumed that people know what a professor or student is talking about and a brief explanation is entirely too short and does not fully inform. This assumption that everyone already knows what they are talking about can lead to confusion and miscommunication. An example of this is in Rubin’s article when she discusses the teacher’s bare boned syllabi. The worst examples being the “listers” and the “scolders” both of which don’t give enough useful information and end up frustration and stressing out their students. In my opinion it wouldn’t hurt to slow things down and explain important information more clearly. I say risk be redundant for the sake of better understanding.

Response Fri Sept 7

The problem that I focused on in the readings was the inefficient communication between student and educator. Limerick and Rubin had similar views that stated it’s not the illegible syllabus that creates confusion; it’s the lack of communication between a student and educator.

Rubin wanted you to know what it was like from the student’s point of view. From the student’s perspective, the syllabus was hard and incomprehensible. Limerick wanted you to know what it was like from an educator’s point of view. Although both give different views, they are giving the same major point, academic discourse. In order for a student to succeed to the best of their abilities, there needs to be a mutual understanding. The mutual understanding needs to be known by both educator and student and as soon as possible. The understanding includes the awareness of the student to be able to ask and receive help from the educator and the awareness of the educator to be asked and give out help to the student.

As hshoenl said in the education class the first thing we were told to do with a new class was to get to know the students. That way the students feel welcomed by you and you also feel welcomed by the students. There is already some respect built into getting to know the students.

Rubin`

Rubin points out the problem with the syllabus. The problem Rubin has with the syllabus is that it is vague and she cannot undersand it. I've had problems with syllabi in the past because of a lack of standardization. Syllabi that are not detailed ultimately cause problems for the students and make an unsuccessful coarse. Although professors may mention which books are neccessary, when homework is assigned, ect. in class, the students feel more respected and secure when it is on the syllabus and they know exactly what to expect.

The average full time student has four to six classes, works part-time and is socially involved, whether its friends or on campus activities. Knowing exactly what's due in a future date will put the students' minds at ease. Rubin also mentions knowing the prerequisites neccessary for the course, this is also a helpful addition that would make life easier for the student. When life is easy for students, class is better for the professor because students are well prepared and excited about class and discussions.

limerick response

i could not agree more with what Limerick has stated because there are times that our assigned reading is so dull and so abstract that discussing a portion of it, is almost impossible. i have an ethics class, just one class out of my other 4, but the reading that i just finished for the thursdays class was just dull. trying to figure out how to talk about it was tough. then you have professors who when giving lectures try to impress us with huge words and sentance structure that you sit there with your mouth open thinking huh and then if like me you just start to day dream or doodle or something. a lot of writing to me is done with a certain about of arrogance, the author is some how saying that i am smarter then you and if you do not understand what i am writing then that means i have more education then you, i am smarter, etc. as we mentioned in some peoples response that professors want us to write something using our sources as a guide but if we interpert something wrong, or we right it in a way that is easily understood then many times we the student are wrong. this is just my opinion however.

Limerick

In this article, Limerick is stating the fact that professors are making thing entirly too difficult to understand. Yeah, these profs may be brilliant in there field of study but they have defaulted to writing in a very dull and complex way. In the passage it says that these profs think that this is what the students want. The point is, the professors do not spark any type of creative and unique language from the students because thier personal language is so flat and lame. The profs need to know that students do not learn based on there ridiculous Once they get to the point of acedemic ingenious, they alomost give up on writing in a creative way. Professors feel that writing in this "dull and dreary way" is what people want. All in all, it limits students creativity and individuality.

My response to Limerick

In Limerick's article she kept mentioning how a lot of academic writing is dull, and long sentences. then the professors just ask for the opposite thing in return something that has your own voice to it. but to use the reading as a guide for your writing. I find that most of the time people will just pick a sentence or two and somehow word it into their paper if they did not understand the long and boring reading. I think that it is a problem it is hard to find good understandable good academic writing. I think that most of the people who write those things are not thinking how a reader would react to this. There are very few textbooks that i had not found difficult or interesting to read. I would think that when an academic writer is writing something for others to learn from that it should be tough at parts but pretty understanding. Most of the time I do not think that is the case.

Response to Limerick

I agree with Limerick that professors try to use language that is uncomprehendible for students. Because of this, students are learning at a slower rate, or are not learning at all.

I feel that this might be more a thing of the past, however. Nowadays I think that profs go out of the way to be easily reachable and are flexible for discussing questions and concerns via e-mail or office meetings. Academic language is oftentimes supposed to sound wordy because it makes it seem more legitimate. I believe that the college you choose to go to also will have an impact on how professors write and choose books. In the midwest, for example at Bowling Green, I would expect the readings to differ from a student at Harvard. That prestigious school has to live up to a standard, and the profs have to be the most knowledgeable and live up to that specific standard. So yes, I agree there is a problem, but I understand why it is that way.

Rubin Response

One of the factors mentioned in the Rubin article was the lack of student and professor communication skills. This is an important aspect of discourse community because without these proper communication interactions, the academic community can miss or misinterpret many things that go on in the classroom such as sylllabus understanding and participation. An example used in Rubin's article is on page 153 when the author states that some syllabi that are used by some professors can often be generalized without much specification or principle explained about the format or schedule of the class. I believe that good communication and repoire between students and professors must come from both sides' participation and efforts to understand each's position they take in the academic community.

Response to Limerick

Limerick discusses the problem of communication in academic discourse between readers and writers. She gives examples of readings that professors assign their students filled with long, dry, and overly complicated sentences. I have been in several classes where I feel that the professors’ choice of textbook was incomprehensible. As a student, I dread doing reading for such classes. Professors are not teaching well when they choose a textbook contains very lengthy chapters that have one sentence after the other which require three times to read because the wording is so confusing; instead, they are wasting a students time and only creating frustration for the material.

danni boyd

response to Limerick

One problem that Patricia Limerick describes in her piece is the inability of students to ask questions regarding academic readings. She says in every other form of communication, when people don't understand what is being said, they ask questions. Within academic discourse students are unable to ask professors questions for fear of being called dumb or stupid. According to Limerick this is because professors like to think that the way that they write is so sophisticated that only those with extreme intelligence can understand the literature. If students were able to clearly understand academic writing, it would, in many ways, dumb down the intelligence of those who wrote the article.

I completely agree with Limerick that academic writing can be very wordy and tough to understand. I also think that many within the discourse community write in such a way that allows him or her to feel smart and intelligent. The writings, in my opinion are done to build the self-confidence of the writer, not inform the reader.

Response to Limerick

sept 7th 2007 post

I believe that the relationship between the student and the professor is the main idea in Rubins reading. I think that professors should have open communication with their students. E-mails for example shouldn't have to have structures to them where the student feels that they have to be prim and proper every time. I believe that the student should be able to joke and get to know their professors. I also agree that most syllabus's are confusing and misleading. I also feel that professors are always hard to get a hold of. They need to make time outside of class to help and maintain a relationship with their students. I totally agree with the reading and found it to be really interesting. This is something I feel is over-looked all the time on college campus's.

Rubin

One of the problems listed in Rubin's article pertained to the relationships between professors and students. Rubin explained how the communication between professors and students is the main problem instead of an inadequate syllabus. In order for a student to get the most out of a class it is important that they feel safe in the classroom setting that they are in which usually means having a relationship with the professor. In my education class, one of the first things that an educator is supposed to do is to get to know their students and make them feel like they can come to them whenever they need help. If professors don't take the time, then to students it shows they don't care and it will be hard to approach them when they actually need help. In order for professors and students to get the most out of a class there needs to be communication done by both sets.

Mrs. Patricia Nelson Limerick & Sharon Ruben

One of the main problems that Mrs. Neslon & Mrs. Ruben tell us about is the management of authority. Both authors say that Professors are focusing more on how they grade rather than actually teaching the class. Mrs. Patricia's example simply states since the reader can't understand the academic writer, the reader learns nothing but the authority that the Academic Writer has. Mrs. Ruben further explains in detail why teachers, such as Academic Writers (or "scolders" in Mrs. Rubens case) snub the readers, which is that they want to obtain order to the class unlike what the "listeners do.

The management authoritive has had many problems in history, and has still been happening to this day. In early history, Pharohs have been "scolder" their own slaves on what to do due for their own sake, rather than whats best for their slaves as a "listener". Even though we have made alot of laws in our country to reduce "Scolders" and to increase "listeners", we still have many "scolders" immorally roaming around for their own satisfaction. A "scolder" can be a group or a specific person determined by their limitations that they give to you. Whether if its a group denying you to socialize with them, to a paticular person denying you permission to be their friend, since you apparently don't meet their "desired expectations" or their "rules" as Sharon Rubin describes it.

In some cases "scolder's" can be good in a scence that they will always teach you a lesson. Whether its from right or wrong like on a test question, discover yourself that you don't need those people or that particular person in your life after all, or meeting important dates and handle your work properly like such issues as contracts. However due to the excessive pain that "scolder's" give to their peers, "listeners" are more honored and accepted, due to their open discussion and ethical help that they give to others no matter what the cost is.

The main goal for Teachers and other highly authoritive people, is to improve and learn new techniques and vocabulary that they never used before. I think that "listeners" should be used first before the "scolders" that way people know that they can have fun and know when to study. management of authority is a major problem to some people and if its not solved properly, it can lead to a major crisis for the whole community as well.

Response to Limerick and Rubin

I feel that boy Limerick and Rubin touched on the fact that the communication between students and professors is not always clear and effective as it should be. Rubin took the point of view of the student by interpreting incomprehensible syllabi from the professors and Limerick took the professor's point of view as to why academic writing can act almost as "protection" for "sensitive" academic writers. I feel Limerick used really great examples in their piece about how professors and academic writers use "large, dull" sentences in order to almost prove themselves capable, thus such complicated sentences and concepts are unable to be deciphered by the student.

From a student's point of view, I definitely agree with Limerick. I feel as if she articulated the problem with communication among students and professors extremely well with her examples. In order for a student to get the most out of their education, they need to understand what is being taught, and how to apply that correctly to their education, in essence, "learning to fly."

Response for Friday: Limerick and Rubin

Both Limerick and Rubin identify several problems inherent to academic discourse. Focus on one problem identified, explain it, provide an example, and finally discuss why in your opinion it is a problem.

--ejfleitz

response wiki

After reading both articles I believe that common rules are needed to prevent ciaos. Norms are what we conform to influence our ideas. The three rules in general are the rules have to be legibly written and easy to follow, orginization, all rules must be kept current. I agree with these rules in that if a rule cannot be legible and easy to follow, there would be no rules at all. Secondly if there is no orginization there would be ciaos. Lastly if rules are out dated people would feel like they were stuck in the past.

wikipedia respose

after reading the Wikipedia article about the different characteristics one of the main rules to a discourse community is that the community as a whole has agreed upon certain goals. in other words there is some kind of unwritten code of conduct that each contributor agrees upon usually dictated by someone else's previous entry. meaning that once you read something and you wish to edit it or add to it, following the previous persons style will be the accepted goal. I like too the very last rule that is found under the Wikipedia article and that is the members have to have suitable degree of relevant content and discoursal expertise, in other words you have to know something in order to contribute to a discussion, and that be something as to expanding upon a particular point previously brought out in order to make that particular point clearer to future readers. These are just two of the rules that found interesting and i know this is the case because there are these unwritten rules that you can see while you are reading particular articles, and although much of Wikipedia information can be misleading, either due to out right lying or simply not having much knowledge upon a subject, that is why the last rule mentioned is needed so as to add relevant content.

Discourse Community Response

Discourse community explains that the community holds a set of unwritten rules that govern its discourse in a larger concept of language. These rules may be slightly modified at any moment, but are to be followed like they were a set of norms in a community. Three rules would be: all rules are to be written in a sensible and legible manner and understandable for all people; all rules are to be kept current; and finally all rules must be kept clear and well organized. The three rules above all are important for a discourse community to function well. All communities have discourse communities within, and without them I believe things may be a little more jumbled than usual.

discourse communities

I was very interested in the Wikipedia definition that stated, "Most people move within and between different discourse communities every day." I bet in any given day I move between 5-6 different discourse communities. I speak and act differently in class when talking to instructors than I would at my home with my roomates. I also speak and communicate differently with my boyfriend than I would with just a male friend. At work, I communicate with clients and my students much different than I would associate with anyone at college. I think it unique that an individual can move so freely between discourse communities without even realizing it.

Discourse Community

Having read the two entries concerning discourse communities, I have found that the reliance on certain rules and obligations is important to its overall function. The first rule I found to be important is the agreed topic or purpose of a discourse community. Without a clearly stated purpose, a discourse community could not properly function. The second rule I found important is the rhetoric use. As an example from the Wikipedia site mentioned, a discourse community may respect a certain language but, not work well with another. The third is the organization and dedication that a discourse community's members hold. These reasons are important to the complete function of a discourse community helping it to survive and make sense.

Discourse Communities

Author Erik Borg explains in his piece "Discourse Communities" that such communities use their language and knowledge about something particular to help each other person within the community achieve their goals. I feel that along with Borg's general idea that those within such a community need to work together to achieve goals, there are several other "unwritten" rules that can be interpreted as well. Along with wikipedia's definition of "discourse community" and its rules, I feel that one can draw from this concept that with people working together for a common goal, there needs to understanding, patience, and respect for diverse opinions and contributions within the community. It can also be said that the ability to grow and use these ideas to benefit the group should be a necessary attribute. Finally, I feel that discourse community is something to be respected and held in high regards personal amongst each member. Each member within the community is crucial to the communication and success of the intended goal.

Discourse Community

Borg claims that Discourse communities have common goals and use communication to share ideas that will/can lead to the achievement of such goals. An agreed upon theme is necessary to convey member’s thoughts to one another for the purpose of meeting goals. Each member must communicate unique ideas while keeping with the ideology of the discourse community to maintain a unifying theme that each member can understand. Discourse Communities also require regular interaction to keep the communication current and goal attainment a real possibility. Communities may differ on the frequency that members must contribute, but a community cannot foster if people do not exchange with each other.
Danni Boyd

discourse community rules

After reading both articles on discourse community, I have come to realize that they have/need the rules that they do in order to funtion properly. I think that discourse communities are also a lot like clubs. One rule that I think they would need is for each memeber to know what their community is about and what their purpose is. I think it is also important as mentioned in wiki that they have a set of goals to work towards in order to accomplish things. Another rule that I find important for each community to have is to look back on what they have accomplished and have each member provide feedback on what they could do different or liked.

discourse community

Wiki has many unwritten rules. Rule number one, is that you should be respectful of other members while at the same time expressing your ideas as well. Even if we don't agree with other peoples ideas we shouldn't attack someones else thoughts but instead disagree in a respectful and mature manner. Rule number two, is that we should all have goals and purposes according to achieve our goal of communication (which was mentions in Borgs reading). I think that we need to take it seriously and not use the blog as just a joke. People really put a lot of effort and time into what they think and write and would appreciate it of you did the same. Rule number three, be creative, and have fun. If your not having fun then it wouldn't be worth it! The more fun you have the more you look forward to posting!

Discourse Community

As with all discourse communities, the Wikipedia discourse community has several unwritten rules that are known of all people within the community. The following are three rules that may be a part of the Wikipedia discourse community. 1. All posts must be presented in a way that allows all people to understand the meaning behind them. Wikipedia seems to present topics in a way that is easier than most "encyclopedias" to understand. 2. Members of the community are encouraged to post up-to-date topics. It seems as though this community includes all things in the reference site. Wikipedia is very current. Topics such as the "i-pod" can be referenced on the web site. 3. The community strongly encourages everyone to get involved in posting new information that is relevant and "cutting edge" within a given field of study.

After searching the web site, I am assuming that the above rules may be some that are common to the Wikipedia discourse community. All of the entries that I saw seemed to possess the same types of qualities.

Chris Stewart HW #7: Discourse Community

Even though discourse community might not have a certain international, national, state, or local law thats been approved by the Judiciary, Executive, or Legislative goverment. The communities in this world have developed their own moral law based upon their own moral beliefs. According to Erik Borg, Discourse community might consist of three general rules.

1. Each person must help or support the other people achieve their goals.
2. Due to the fact that laws may very in specific areas, discourse community should only be used in small minor areas at a times.
3. Discourse community may be written or oral for intercommunication by information or feedback to the audience.

NOTE: Depending on the person who is giving the discourse community. Certain situation might arise such as implied or verbal Contracts on what that promises for that community. Other situations that might arise is defamatory (particularly slander) if they lie about that particular person and what they do (Intentional Conflict of Emotional Distress might arise as well for that particular person as well.) when these cases arise only then does the law come into play with discourse community. Unlike what Erik Blog said about not being able to use the language to communicate in the entire world. Certain events as stated earlier might make the law involved with discourse community.